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		<title>By: Turning News Into Knowledge &#187; Demonstrating and sharing the value of news coverage in your organization&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://davefleet.com/2009/07/pr-people-math/comment-page-2/#comment-66928</link>
		<dc:creator>Turning News Into Knowledge &#187; Demonstrating and sharing the value of news coverage in your organization&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Public relations often gets a bad rep as the department that makes &#8216;warm fuzzies&#8217; since it&#8217;s hard to put the value of managing relationships into dollars and cents. (Sometimes PR can be to blame as many in the industry are &#8216;math-a-phobic&#8217;, as Dave Fleet points out) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Public relations often gets a bad rep as the department that makes &#8216;warm fuzzies&#8217; since it&#8217;s hard to put the value of managing relationships into dollars and cents. (Sometimes PR can be to blame as many in the industry are &#8216;math-a-phobic&#8217;, as Dave Fleet points out) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TravisV</title>
		<link>http://davefleet.com/2009/07/pr-people-math/comment-page-2/#comment-55990</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  

I have a related beef - which is that PR people too often draw conclusions based on inadequate sample sizes.  Reading two stories about something does not equate to understanding a trend.  

Before numbers can be crunched and trends analyzed, the volume of data needs to be substantive and comprehensive.  I think too many PR folks out there are making willy-nilly guesses based on very partial sample sizes (a story they read; what a single exec whispered in their ear was important).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  </p>
<p>I have a related beef &#8211; which is that PR people too often draw conclusions based on inadequate sample sizes.  Reading two stories about something does not equate to understanding a trend.  </p>
<p>Before numbers can be crunched and trends analyzed, the volume of data needs to be substantive and comprehensive.  I think too many PR folks out there are making willy-nilly guesses based on very partial sample sizes (a story they read; what a single exec whispered in their ear was important).</p>
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		<title>By: erob1 (Evan E. Roberts)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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@adam3cc that&#039;s for sure. I&#039;m def going to have to brush up on my analytics after reading that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatcatcher.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Posted using Chat Catcher&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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@adam3cc that&#8217;s for sure. I&#8217;m def going to have to brush up on my analytics after reading that</p>
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		<title>By: adam3cc (Adam Deardurff)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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@erob1 yea... when it comes down to it, proof is in numbers and no one can argue with that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatcatcher.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Posted using Chat Catcher&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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@erob1 yea&#8230; when it comes down to it, proof is in numbers and no one can argue with that.</p>
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		<title>By: erob1 (Evan E. Roberts)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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Just got my butt kicked by @davefleet&#039;s &quot;PR People Need Math&quot; [link to post]
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Just got my butt kicked by @davefleet&#8217;s &#8220;PR People Need Math&#8221; [link to post]<br />
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		<title>By: JBwrites (Jon Boroshok - JB)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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Semi RT  @ValerieSimon RT @arikhanson:  Think PR People Don’t Need Math? Think Again  [link to post]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatcatcher.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Posted using Chat Catcher&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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Semi RT  @ValerieSimon RT @arikhanson:  Think PR People Don’t Need Math? Think Again  [link to post]</p>
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		<title>By: Wendi Taylor Nations</title>
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		<description>Dave Fleet is absolutely right.  It&#039;s not about understanding a blended rate or building a budget [DF: comment edited to comply with comment policy].  

It&#039;s about understanding strategy:  HR strategy, legal strategy, finance strategy, etc.  Financial Dynamics just did a study about how communications people are involved in business strategy.  The discussion at last week&#039;s PR Council/PRSA breakfast devolved a bit into whining about why we aren&#039;t included.  Someone from Northwestern&#039;s undergrad biz school made the point that MBAs who understand the bigger business picture are absent from the discussion.  He&#039;s right. Our industry has abandoned, or never embraced, bigger picture business thinking.  And that MUST change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Fleet is absolutely right.  It&#8217;s not about understanding a blended rate or building a budget [DF: comment edited to comply with comment policy].  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about understanding strategy:  HR strategy, legal strategy, finance strategy, etc.  Financial Dynamics just did a study about how communications people are involved in business strategy.  The discussion at last week&#8217;s PR Council/PRSA breakfast devolved a bit into whining about why we aren&#8217;t included.  Someone from Northwestern&#8217;s undergrad biz school made the point that MBAs who understand the bigger business picture are absent from the discussion.  He&#8217;s right. Our industry has abandoned, or never embraced, bigger picture business thinking.  And that MUST change.</p>
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		<title>By: RichBecker (Richard Becker)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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@BillSledzik And some people still think that public perception doesn&#039;t matter. Maybe mathematicians need a brand boost.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatcatcher.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Posted using Chat Catcher&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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@BillSledzik And some people still think that public perception doesn&#8217;t matter. Maybe mathematicians need a brand boost.</p>
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		<title>By: sorensenpower (Dan Sorensen)</title>
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I was told there’d be no math in this job: PR pros and numbers  [link to post]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatcatcher.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Posted using Chat Catcher&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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I was told there’d be no math in this job: PR pros and numbers  [link to post]</p>
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