Why Facebook’s Community Pages Could Give Brands Headaches

A couple of weeks ago I received a worried call from a friend working in PR for a large company. Her opening question went something like:

“What the heck are Community Pages on Facebook, and why is there one for my company?”

Community Pages 101

Facebook’s Community Pages are an initiative from Facebook to create “the best collection of shared knowledge” on a wide variety topics. Right now the content from the pages is pulled from Wikipedia (if available) and from your friends’ updates, so they’re often pretty bare but apparently Facebook plans to enable users to add content in the future. The social network launched roughly 6.5 million of these when they first launched.

In theory these pages should be a good thing for companies. The intent, according to All Facebook, was to take generic topics that aren’t necessarily brand-focused and to create Community Pages for them. Facebook states:

“Generate support for your favorite cause or topic by creating a Community Page. If it become very popular (attracting thousands of fans), it will be adopted and maintained by the Facebook community.”

So, if your Facebook Page falls into “owned media” in our social media ecosystem, Community Pages would fit more into “earned media.”

Over time, Community Pages would reduce the number of errant brand-related pages set up by individuals – a good move from a brand’s perspective. As Christopher Heine at ClickZ wrote, “Big brands that have seen their official Facebook fan numbers hindered by third-party fan pages will likely welcome the move.” The piece also noted that “community pages will indeed help make official brand pages more distinct from third-party pages and groups on the site.”

Causing Headaches for Brands

Here’s the problem, though – alongside generic causes and topics, Facebook has also created Community Pages for many well-known brands. As my friend put it:

“But we already have a Facebook page! What do we do with this?”

Right now, she can’t do anything.

As Facebook states in its FAQs:

“At this time, there is no way for people who choose to connect with a Community Page to add their own pictures or edit the information.”

Many companies have spent time and money building sizeable communities on Facebook through their curated fan pages. Now they’re seeing Facebook roll out yet another form of pages which undermine their efforts. As it it weren’t confusing enough already, we now have:

  • Pages – representing an organization or person
  • Groups – for communities of interest
  • Community pages – theoretically about topics, causes or experiences but seemingly also about brands

These Community Pages also create an additional challenge for companies – they’re a monitoring nightmare. Community Pages are pretty much impossible to monitor effectively, as right now each user only seems to see content posted from their own network. That means everyone sees a unique page driven by their friends.

As if there isn’t enough noise on Facebook already, companies now have to deal with a third wave of pages about their brands – and this time they have absolutely no control over them.

Let’s take Roots, for example (not where my friend works). They’ve created a reasonable-sized community of roughly 14,000 people through their Roots Canada page, and they maintain it regularly. They run contests and promotions, and have a solid level of engagement from “fans” (or whatever we’re calling them now – “likers”?).

However, that page now has to compete with other Community Pages including Roots Canada and Roots. These pages are effectively off-limits for the company, and compete directly with the community the company has already invested in developing.

This isn’t unique to Roots – do the same for Microsoft, for example. When I searched for Microsoft, for example, four of the eight results shown in the drop-down were Community Pages, at the expense of Microsoft’s own pages for students and for Windows 7.

On Control…

Now, I’m of the view that companies don’t “own” their brand – that brands are really the sum total of peoples’ perceptions about the entity in question. This isn’t about that.

I also get that companies don’t “control” their online presence – I work in social media; I actually appreciate the fact that people talk about things that interest or are important to them .  This isn’t about that either.

This is about the world’s largest social network encouraging companies to set up shop on their network and to invest in their presence there, then pulling the rug out from under their feet and launching a new aspect to the network that dilutes the investment for those companies.

It’s funny if you think about it – in the past Facebook would hand over control of fan pages to companies; now they’ve launched a new type of page that’s designed specifically so that brands can’t control them. It’s quite ironic given Facebook’s repeated moves toward enabling businesses to interact more and more with its users.

Managing Risk For Your Community Page

As for my friend and her concern about her company’s new, unsolicited Community Page, I had limited advice to offer. Most of the content, at least initially, is pulled from sources out of the company’s control, so I really only had two recommendations:

  1. Keep a close eye on your Wikipedia page – your company’s information is pulled from there, so brand-jacking efforts may shift there even more if Community Pages take off.
  2. Enter your company’s official website if it isn’t already included on the page – Facebook lets you enter that, at least.
  3. Pay even closer attention to monitoring other social sites. Facebook still offers no effective way to monitor your brand; however as more and more Facebook content is made available on the wider web, you may see more spill-over if an issue does bubble up, and these pages make it more important than ever to catch those issues when they do.
  4. Prepare in advance for how you’ll react if a crisis does emerge. How will you decide whether to respond? Where will you respond? How? Who will do it? Picture Nestle’s recent Facebook issues but in a forum where, even if you wanted to respond, you couldn’t.

What do you think? Is this move good or bad for marketers, and what other tips would you offer to help organizations manage their Community Pages?

35 comments
Chauhan Kalpana
Chauhan Kalpana

I find this facebook community concept a little more trouble than that. I work at a management institute and we had a brand page for our institute under education category. one fine day our page was recategorised  as 'community' and since then, we have send umpteen times request, but the page is still community.  no idea what to do

Corrine
Corrine

Thanks, Dave! This is probably the best overview of the new Community Pages I've found since FB launched the confusing new feature. I know you mention that there isn't much advice to offer brands but I still had a few questions. Should we secure Community brand pages for our clients? Should we have both a Fan Page and a Community Page? Will it matter if the company creates a branded Community page or if a fan creates one (considering we don't have any control over content on the Community Page)?

Corrine
Corrine

Thanks, Dave! This is probably the best overview of the new Community Pages I've found since FB launched the confusing new feature. I know you mention that there isn't much advice to offer brands but I still had a few questions. Should we secure Community brand pages for our clients? Should we have both a Fan Page and a Community Page? Will it matter if the company creates a branded Community page or if a fan creates one (considering we don't have any control over content on the Community Page)?

Prakky
Prakky

Agree, agree, agree. I wrote a blog yesterday, with some quick examples of how nonsensical some of these new Community Pages are. As they currently stand, they may draw in a user's post, simply because that user has mentioned the 'brand' name. It doesn't always work out to be relevant! Surely that can't be of benefit to anyone. I'm hopeful Facebook will "fix this".

Prakky
Prakky

Agree, agree, agree.

I wrote a blog yesterday, with some quick examples of how nonsensical some of these new Community Pages are. As they currently stand, they may draw in a user's post, simply because that user has mentioned the 'brand' name. It doesn't always work out to be relevant! Surely that can't be of benefit to anyone. I'm hopeful Facebook will "fix this".

randulo
randulo

I did not see this mentioned above, but the problem with "fan" pages when created by fans was that the creator of the "Brand X" page spoke identified as "Brand X". This is not about who owns Brand X, but who is impersonating Brand X. I've seen fans discuss with "Brand X" and this is not cool. So, FB, no doubt deluged with delete requests for these illegal pages (you check a box saying you are legally authorized to speak for the name, so they are all against the TOS and subject to deletion) and acting in their vested interest, found a new way to screw things up by creating community pages. They were supposed to be for causes and ideas. If FB would just enforce this by saying they can't just be a person's name or company name, this would be ok. For example, why not "Bring Back Star Trek" as opposed to "Star Trek" with a wikipedia entry? "FaceBook, It's Not Just About Privacy Anymore"

randulo
randulo

I did not see this mentioned above, but the problem with "fan" pages when created by fans was that the creator of the "Brand X" page spoke identified as "Brand X". This is not about who owns Brand X, but who is impersonating Brand X. I've seen fans discuss with "Brand X" and this is not cool. So, FB, no doubt deluged with delete requests for these illegal pages (you check a box saying you are legally authorized to speak for the name, so they are all against the TOS and subject to deletion) and acting in their vested interest, found a new way to screw things up by creating community pages. They were supposed to be for causes and ideas. If FB would just enforce this by saying they can't just be a person's name or company name, this would be ok. For example, why not "Bring Back Star Trek" as opposed to "Star Trek" with a wikipedia entry?

"FaceBook, It's Not Just About Privacy Anymore"

Tom O'Brien
Tom O'Brien

Dave - nice post. Fb is calling them "community" pages but they are decidedly NOT community pages. These are no better than the worst SPLOGS (spam blogs created by bots) that re-post other people's work in order to have some content to sell ads against. Fine if you are a black hat Internet marketing ninja, perhaps not such a great idea if you are a giant company wholly dependend on the continued goodwill of your users and advertisers. This is just wrong and FB should knock it off. Tom O'Brien @tomob

Tom O'Brien
Tom O'Brien

Dave - nice post. Fb is calling them "community" pages but they are decidedly NOT community pages. These are no better than the worst SPLOGS (spam blogs created by bots) that re-post other people's work in order to have some content to sell ads against.

Fine if you are a black hat Internet marketing ninja, perhaps not such a great idea if you are a giant company wholly dependend on the continued goodwill of your users and advertisers.

This is just wrong and FB should knock it off.

Tom O'Brien
@tomob

Lanie James
Lanie James

Went to my company's new "community" page that was created and clicked on the Related Posts tab and it crashed my web browser completely.

Lanie James
Lanie James

Went to my company's new "community" page that was created and clicked on the Related Posts tab and it crashed my web browser completely.

Baratunde
Baratunde

I'm not nearly as big as microsoft (yet) and i have this problem. My official fan page is at Facebook.com/Baratunde and is simply called "Baratunde" But now there are at least two community pages Baratunde Baratunde Thurston Both of which just pull in my wikipedia page. Would someone tell Facebook the internet already exists?

Baratunde
Baratunde

I'm not nearly as big as microsoft (yet) and i have this problem. My official fan page is at Facebook.com/Baratunde and is simply called "Baratunde"

But now there are at least two community pages
Baratunde
Baratunde Thurston

Both of which just pull in my wikipedia page. Would someone tell Facebook the internet already exists?

Bryan Person
Bryan Person

Good post here, Dave, and a good look at some of the early messiness with Community Pages. The real problem at this point is that's difficult for users to know which Page is the official one from the brand. The drop-down search-suggestion tool generally isn't helpful either, as you point out. I do think the distinction between the Official Page and the Community Page will be clearer ... eventually. But in the meantime, providing good counsel to clients on the the existing confusion is a must!

Bryan Person
Bryan Person

Good post here, Dave, and a good look at some of the early messiness with Community Pages. The real problem at this point is that's difficult for users to know which Page is the official one from the brand. The drop-down search-suggestion tool generally isn't helpful either, as you point out.

I do think the distinction between the Official Page and the Community Page will be clearer ... eventually. But in the meantime, providing good counsel to clients on the the existing confusion is a must!

Tamar Weinberg
Tamar Weinberg

Dave, thanks for bringing this up. Hopefully more people will learn more about this issue. I posted an open letter to Facebook 2 weeks ago and was really concerned about this comment on the post. This individual represents a very well known performer on Facebook and created the *official* Facebook page. Facebook has elected to automatically Like a community page, so the numbers don't balance out. Whereas the performer invested money in an Official Fan Page, Facebook decided to endorse a Community Page and it makes these people tasked with creating Official Pages look ridiculous. It's a complete embarrassment. I think we'd all be of the opinion that Facebook should choose the OFFICIAL page, no? This Wiki of sorts is pretty stupid if Facebook wants businesses to help drive Facebook's growth and monetization plans forward.

Tamar Weinberg
Tamar Weinberg

Dave, thanks for bringing this up. Hopefully more people will learn more about this issue. I posted an open letter to Facebook 2 weeks ago and was really concerned about this comment on the post. This individual represents a very well known performer on Facebook and created the *official* Facebook page. Facebook has elected to automatically Like a community page, so the numbers don't balance out. Whereas the performer invested money in an Official Fan Page, Facebook decided to endorse a Community Page and it makes these people tasked with creating Official Pages look ridiculous. It's a complete embarrassment.

I think we'd all be of the opinion that Facebook should choose the OFFICIAL page, no? This Wiki of sorts is pretty stupid if Facebook wants businesses to help drive Facebook's growth and monetization plans forward.

Eric Portelance
Eric Portelance

A big issue that I encountered with Community Pages as I was doing some research last week is that there are already a *lot* of duplicates. It seems that when the new user profiles were rolled out over the past few weeks, people began linking their interests with things that were not necessarily a good match. Part of the problem is that Facebook just isn't doing a good job at checking for potential dupes. There are also pages for things like "Microsot" and other typos. If more than one person makes a typo, Facebook assumes this is a real brand/product/company/interest.

Eric Portelance
Eric Portelance

A big issue that I encountered with Community Pages as I was doing some research last week is that there are already a *lot* of duplicates. It seems that when the new user profiles were rolled out over the past few weeks, people began linking their interests with things that were not necessarily a good match.

Part of the problem is that Facebook just isn't doing a good job at checking for potential dupes. There are also pages for things like "Microsot" and other typos. If more than one person makes a typo, Facebook assumes this is a real brand/product/company/interest.

Michael Daehn
Michael Daehn

Cool I just "fan"ed you. Oops I mean "like"ed you. On your page though, not your community page. Aww never mind.

Michael Daehn
Michael Daehn

Cool I just "fan"ed you. Oops I mean "like"ed you. On your page though, not your community page. Aww never mind.

Sonny Gill
Sonny Gill

Totally agree with Bryan here. It dilutes the efforts that brands/orgs are putting into their official page when the community pages have gone up in droves. Sure brands would rather see their official page increase substantially by having users linked directly to that page, but wouldn't it be more beneficial for the users to be so as well vs. linked to an irrelevant community page with just a wikipedia entry? Time will certainly tell with how this mess will be sorted out.

Dave Fleet
Dave Fleet

I agree. Not sure they're particularly interested in the monitoring piece (much to my chagrin) but the oversight and search preference issues are significant ones to solve.

David Jones
David Jones

Facebook knows its revenue resides with keeping its advertisers happy. It'll have to figure out the two main challenges laid out in this post:

- effective monitoring -- paying customers want something useful
- preference in search -- if a brand pays FB loads of dollars in ads to support the page they paid to design and build, they'll want some consideration in the search results
- community page oversight -- Facebook shouldn't pull a wikipedia and keep brands out of the community pages. If they turn into something useful for the FB community, then brands should at least have the ability to make sure they are accurate.

It's like the designers and developers over there don't bother to ask anyone about the pros and cons of new features like this before they launch. Their track record isn't particularly good so far.

Sonny Gill
Sonny Gill

Totally agree with Bryan here. It dilutes the efforts that brands/orgs are putting into their official page when the community pages have gone up in droves. Sure brands would rather see their official page increase substantially by having users linked directly to that page, but wouldn't it be more beneficial for the users to be so as well vs. linked to an irrelevant community page with just a wikipedia entry?

Time will certainly tell with how this mess will be sorted out.

Dave Fleet
Dave Fleet

Tamar - you're right, that's exactly the kind of situation I'm talking about. Hardly a confidence booster for companies...

Dave Fleet
Dave Fleet

Tamar - you're right, that's exactly the kind of situation I'm talking about. Hardly a confidence booster for companies...

Ben
Ben

Jacinta, you effort is not effective. It has only 19 fans as of 29 July 2010.

Ben
Ben

Jacinta, you effort is not effective. It has only 19 fans as of 29 July 2010.

David Jones
David Jones

Facebook knows its revenue resides with keeping its advertisers happy. It'll have to figure out the two main challenges laid out in this post: - effective monitoring -- paying customers want something useful - preference in search -- if a brand pays FB loads of dollars in ads to support the page they paid to design and build, they'll want some consideration in the search results - community page oversight -- Facebook shouldn't pull a wikipedia and keep brands out of the community pages. If they turn into something useful for the FB community, then brands should at least have the ability to make sure they are accurate. It's like the designers and developers over there don't bother to ask anyone about the pros and cons of new features like this before they launch. Their track record isn't particularly good so far.

Dave Fleet
Dave Fleet

I agree. Not sure they're particularly interested in the monitoring piece (much to my chagrin) but the oversight and search preference issues are significant ones to solve.

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